Come On, E-cat Autos!

Andrea Rossi says that an E-Cat automobile is 20 years in the future. It seems that the larger the E-Cat unit, the more quickly the technology is perfected. For instance, the domestic E-Cat is still in the certification phase, while the industrial E-Cat is already on the market and being manufactured. One of the reasons for this is also the fact that domestic models will not be supervised on a daily basis. This will be an even bigger thing to consider when E-Cats are used to power moving vehicles.

However, Rossi has also admitted that even he can’t foresee the derivative uses for his technology. So the hopes are that automotive engineers, once they have E-Cat and LENR units available, will be able to “take off” so to speak with their designs and technology, taking autos off of fossil fuel entirely.

Let’s hope this is so, because auto ownership is skyrocketing. The United States was once the culprit of excess in car ownership. Henry Ford and Henry Leland pioneered the assembly line in the heart of the industrial age. Major cities in the U.S. were known for their auto industry, and car ownership became a mark of success for Americans.

However, there has been a major shift in car ownership. Now, according to The Atlantic, the U.S. is bypassed by every European country on the rate of car ownership per person. Citing a report written by the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace, as they studied worldwide car ownership, the U.S. is actually in 25th place – behind everybody in Europe. You can put New Zealand, Australia, Iceland, Greece, and Japan, as well. Monaco tops the rate, with 771 cars per 1000 people. In Italy, it’s 600 per 1000, while in Germany it is 500, France at 498, and the United States at 439.

How does this affect the environment? The U.S. has always been seen as the main contributor to greenhouse gasses and ozone depletion, contributing to global warming. Now, it seems, Europe and parts of Asia and Eurasia can lay claim to part of that guilt.

On a side note, the Carnage report says that car ownership is usually a sign of a healthy middle class. This would imply that the overall position of the middle class in Europe is improving, while the same group in the U.S. is declining – something that has been suspected for some time. Carnage says it is all relative; while someone in one country would be poor by another country’s standards, they may still be middle class in their own country.

This doesn’t mean that Americans own fewer cars than ever. Autos are not leaving the roads. It just means that we’re not buying as many cars. So, emissions and fuel consumption are still an issue. It’s just spreading across the planet.

Perhaps in at least one of these countries, there will be a push to incorporate LENR technology into fueling the increasing number of vehicles. Once it’s available, people will buy it.

 

 

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  1. Andrea Rossi made that claim when the ecat was running at low temperatures. I am sure he must have since revised his opinion.

  2. For non-polluting cars main topic … the batteries. We need an engine without a battery. This engine actually exists. This is the compressed air engine of M. Negre Guy from MDI. This engine has been tested and adopted by Tata motor in India. Production will begin soon on the Nano car. So E-Cat produces electricity that produces compressed air and the cycle is the most direct and least polluting. France has done everything to stop Mr. Negre in his project. It is now installed in Luxembourg. http://www.mdi.lu.
    Greetings Jean-Luc

    • An ECAT is very small and can heat to 1000+ degrees. Couple this with a small steam generator and it could replace any battery or create hydrogen n board any car or truck. The Hydrogen method could be used to run current vehicles without too much modification.

      The Air engines mentioned above (although interesting) would not e required.

      Andrea Rossi said cars needed 20 years of research, but that was before he was running at the temperatures he is now. I am sure his opinion has likely revised since then.

      • “Andrea Rossi said cars needed 20 years of research, but that was before he was running at the temperatures he is now. I am sure his opinion has likely revised since then.”

        It probably hasn’t. It’s not so much the tech as it is the mfr’s accepting and incorporating it. GPS navigation devices were out for years before we saw them added to cars. Everyone has a smartphone now but you still don’t see anyone incorporating the tech into them. About all you can get is a plug to plug in your mp3 player, and then only sometimes!

        I think mfrs are going to be very nervous about adding the e-cat as a power system to their cars, while at the same time there will be pressure to do it to save gas.

        We’ll probably see people doing it aftermarket well before we see it made that way. Even before that, I predict it will be implemented in ships for transportation first before it will be in cars. Ships already have engine rooms with dedicated mechanics that can watch things.

        But regardless, I can’t freaking wait!

        • No Manufacturing required. If I had my hands on a ecat that works as claimed I could buy an electric car and build a trailer for it that has the ecat,generator on it supplying my car. I would not need the permission from Chevy to do this.

          However; we are not talking about major transformations. We are talking about simply replacing a battery with a slightly larger on board generator.

          If you are faced with paying $100/month for fuel for the next 10 years then a $2000 modification would seem justified. Many people would rather drive their gas guzzlers to a scrap yard than pay for gas.

          I also see it in ships and boats and see sailboats becoming a part of history as everyone will want a high speed ecat boat, ship, blimp.

          There is too much motivation to prevent this tech from spreading quickly to cars/trucks/trains/planes also..

          Hydrogen can also be produced on board with less modification in most cases.

  3. I quite agree, although I think there will be people that will replace the engine with an ecat. But doing that will be even tougher than what you are planning.

    But most people will probably wait. I personally think someone will invent a gas maker out of the ecat, and either sell mass quantities of gasoline cheaply, or sell mass quantities of gas makers to individuals. I can see spending $2k on a converter that takes some of the ecat generated power and outputs a few gallons of gasoline a day.

    But I think it’s more likely a few bright people will make and sell thousands of gallons a day instead.

    But 99% of the population will wait until there is an aftermarket industry that replaces your engine with the ForeverEngine ™.

    No more alternator, water pump, or gas engine. I wonder if it will even need oil changes, since that’s really for gas engines. It might end up being totally maintenance free except for the 6th month cartridge swap.

    I can’t wait until something happens.

  4. kwhilborn & Jim

    You Dream to Much. Come back to Reality.

    Steam Engines. Maybe a few Novelty Cars for Show & Tell.
    There’s a reason they left steam engines behind. Cost & Efficiency to name a couple. Safety- Their dangerous. Not just to the operator, but to any bystanders. Also, you’d need a large condenser or constantly have to stop to refill with water. Much more, but enough said.

    The E-cat: Has it’s own draw backs. Run it 24/7 or tolerate 1 hour start up/shut down. Output. Not there. Would require about 20 minimum. Refillx20 cost.

    A more likely scenario would be Electric car with Li-Io Air battery with a 1K range between charges. The New batteries will be half the cost of existing batteries/ half the size/ good for well over 100K miles replace period.

    With this you just plug in when necessary @ home probably to an E-cat generator. About 30% Cheaper then present Electric cars & no gas to buy.

    With new technology in the works, E-cats may be able to operate at 45% electric conversion efficiency in about 10 years. This would allow for on-board range extension, but probably not necessary. How many people drive non stop 1K miles.

    Do to Regulations & safety requirements, 20 years would be pushing it with what you have in mind.

    10 Years with what I propose as most problems don’t exist. Just waiting for the Other technologies to mature to where there available for use. Such as advances in the E-cat itself & Direct electrical conversion with high efficiency. Regulations already Done.

    Within 10 Years Direct conversion processes will be 20 to 25% more efficient then mechanical electric steam conversion. Non moving parts involved which would allow 30 year work life without maintenance. Possibly more. A once in a lifetime purchase.

    If your looking forward to not buying Gasoline for your car, What I have suggested above is more likely, Another Option would be the CIHT being developed by Black Light Power. A type of Fuel Cell.

  5. Omega Z: *I* dream too much?

    Batteries will never really be optimum technology for cars until they are cheap, small, super fast charging and are good for long trips on one charge. I would hate to find myself stuck on the road with nowhere to get a charge.

    It will be far more likely that a few entrepeneurs will take the existing known technology on making gasoline from water and electricity, and implement it on a large scale with the e-cat, and make millons selling gas for $1 a gallon.

    Battery power cars will never be more than the niche they are now unless the problems with batteries are fixed (size, expense, speed of charging, and capacity).

    But e-cat powered cars will eventually get here, whether through steam generating or through direct conversion to electricity.

    Steam engines, you’re correct. They did leave them behind for good reasons. Cost, efficiency, and safety. However, Cost and Efficiency will no longer be a factor with the e-cat. The cost of fuel for an e-cat steam engine is nearly zilch, unlike the original steam engines that required coal or wood.

    As for safety, that can be handled. Car engines today generate thousands of rpms and lots of heat but mfrs figured out how to make them relatively safe to operate. We can do the same for e-cat power steam engines.

    But regardless of where we eventually go or how we get there, I’m looking forward to eventually having a car that costs very little to operate. If I never need to fuel it directly, even better.

    Even better, add in the self-driving option that cars are going to be getting, and one could roam the country in an RV and just set it to “random”.

    • Steam Boilers blow up. Not if, but when. Who wants to pull over every 60 to 80 miles to fill up with water. Steam would be a novelty. A Hobby project.
      But even if you work out these problems, the Greenies will shut you down. Believe it or not, They consider water vapor to be a green house gas. I think there smoking something.

      Most people grossly overestimate 10Kw E-cat. A 10Kw E-cat wont get you nowhere. Way to small. Also requires 1.6Kw electric to run it. Presently, there is nothing efficient enough to convert it’s own power to run itself. At present it’s not even certifiable to run itself even if you could. 10Kw=13hp of which your only able to use about 30 to 35% converted to mechanical if your lucky.

      Now, In time they may power a vehicle, but the time frame is way out there. Even If it were at that point now, it would take a decade. Rules, Regulations, Certifications. Building your own sounds good, but these rules apply to everyone. Not just Corporations.

      As for Electric cars being a niche market, Until Recently, I would have agreed a hundred percent.

      I don’t recall the Company off hand, But their in the process of setting up production of a New lithium-air battery, Available in about 2 years. 300 miles to a charge.

      IBM is also developing this type of battery. 500 miles per charge.

      JTEC- also is developing this type battery, Possible 1K+ per charge good for over 100 charges.

      Half the size, less then half the weight & half the cost of present batteries. Projected cost of these Electric cars is about 20K.

      You also have Blacklight developing their CIHT fuel cells. 3K miles per recharge.

      As far as a vehicle cheap to run. Don’t count on it. The fuel may be cheaper, but the upkeep will likely increase. Kind of like the $29 light bulb that saves you $30 dollars over the lifetime. Tack on the tax & you already lost. Then instead of working 20K hours, the dam thing actually only lasts 10K hours.

      Another thing to keep in mind. If your not using fuel & paying a fuel tax, then you’ll have to pay a Mileage tax. Many States have it on the books & all the others will soon.
      We can’t seem to win…

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