Tar Sands & The E-Cat

Tar sand holds the new gold mine in fuel for the next hundred years – at least for fossil fuels. It is suspected that the Canadian tar sands, and those in the U.S., will eclipse the amount of oil coming from the United Arab Emirates. In the U.S., some of that will come from shale, as well. But, how do the oil companies access the fuel that saturates the substrate of the North American continent? With heat, that’s how.

Piping heat to these nether regions will release the fuel for use above ground. It takes about 350 degrees centigrade to liquefy the trapped fuel. The Hot Cat produces in excess of 1100 C, making it a prime candidate for heating the sand that contains the fuel we need.

This plays in to the theory that the oil industry may be the first, biggest customer of LENR technology. As Steven Karels stated on the Journal of Nuclear Physics, “This sounds perfect for an eCat.”

These tar sands will be accessed on site, with no infrastructure to pipe heat to the underlying sands. The oil companies will have to install these, and the Hot Cat can provide the steam. In addition, the electricity generated by the units will run the complex, as well – saving the oil companies from having to burn their own product, increasing their profit level.

Joseph Fine also is in favor of using the Hot Cat to extract oil from tar sands, recommending the use of numerous, individual units rather than one large unit to heat the sands. His theory is that the larger units, located in one spot, would require a longer network of piping to deliver the heat. However, with a network of individual units, the piping would be shorter and simpler, reducing the amount of heat wasted. In addition, Fine says that the “distributed network” as he calls it would enable the field to keep running if one small section needs to be shut down. However if all of the units are in one container, the entire field would have to be shut down for maintenance.

As Andrea Rossi says, the market will prove the product. As the E-Cat and Hot Cat move into the public and private sector, proving the technology, it will be put to work in ways most of us have never considered.

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  1. Fascinating question. What will be the E-cat’s effect on the tar-sands? The tar sands currently is a semi-attractive option only because other oil sources are getting scarce..and the price of oil remains high enough to support the expensive process of getting oil from shale. It very well may be true that an early use of the e-cat will be for this purpose. Ultimately though I can’t see BP or Exxon wanting to go through the trouble of digging in the tar sands when cheaper energy exists in their e-cats.

    I’d be curious what any real oil-geology professional think about this, but I would doubt that any are currently aware of the e-cat being a reality.

  2. It looks as though the confirmation of Rossi’s e-cat LENR as some kind of chemonuclear reaction is at hand. Given the predicted 1gW/M3 density (Hidetsugu Ikegami) – hotter by far than the interior of yellow stars – why produce oil at all? Prudent businessmen write down losses in old technology all the time.

    Sure some petro-outfitter will adapt an LENR device to tar sand production and it will sell a few units. Meanwhile people seriously in the energy business will be retooling for distributed/district industrial and residential CHP units. That’s where it will all end up. Congrats to Dr. Rossi and team on a job well done!

  3. Oil have no future, yet much present, for fixed installation.
    LENR will quickly capture the market of industrial energy, electricity. most in 5-10 years.
    For transport, Oil will finally disappear from heavy (already hybrid-electric) vehicles like trains, boats.
    For light vehicles (plane, cars, trucks) it can stay longer, yet will die in 10-20years… maybe some synthetic fuel will allow last vehicles to survive for some funny reasons (car museum, camping), when the last oil field are abandonned because too expensive to use…

    the result is that unconventional hydrocarbon prospection will disappear… tar sand will die, tight gas, fracking, tight oils… not interesting. we will simply stop investing, stop prospecting and empty the oil field in next 10 years, if we can… because we will stop using oil quickly.

    of course new renewable energy, hot fusion, will be abandoned even more quickly because it is an energy of the future, without any future.

    Nuclear energy will be extinguished slowly, just to manage the nuclear waste. the question is whether LENR will help nuclear waste incineration, or if we will have to use fast neutrons, or subcritical reactors, just to clean the plutonium stock. the future of nuke is dismantling and incineration of transuranian.

  4. Oil will not disappear entirely. Hydrocarbons may become too expensive to burn but they will still be required as a feedstock for the petrochemical industry which manufactures products such as plastics, synthetic fibers, organic semiconductors, drugs, etc.

    It would be foolish to write off the importance of oil for a modern economy quite so quickly.

  5. Or maybe there won’t be any early use of the e-cat because maybe there is no working e-cat. After all, it has been a LONG time since Rossi’s announcement and he hasn’t really proven anything yet. I was a huge Rossi supporter 16 months ago (before the October 2011 demo), but I have gradually become more and more skeptical. I no longer hold out much hope that Rossi will deliver anything useful. He’s either incompetent, or a fraud or has been intimidated by “the powers”. I’ll give it until this summer at the latest. If there is no credible report by then from the validation tests that are supposedly going on as I type, I’ll conclude that it was all smoke and mirrors.

  6. Guys, all revolutionary developments lead to big mess, no matter that they are for good. Despite that, the whole world needs many years to adopt a new tewchnology and 10 years are too optimistic for the wide adoption of LENR. So spread out, that even the transportation can use it. 20 – 30 is a more reasonable time. And in the meantime we will need energy and at an affordable price. So, why don’t we use the almost free energy to produce oil?The use of LENR for the tar sands means, that 30 – 40 % more oil could be produced and this means a significant price drop could be acheived. In the meantime LENR devices could be sold worldwide and the transition to a cleaner and cheper energy future could be done easy and nice.

  7. @todor
    you might be wizer.
    at least time to market for an innovation is normally 5 years.
    a fast transition is 10 years from market to osbsolescence of previous generation.

    for industry the cycle can be 30years.

    however it can go faster technically, because LENR is very cost efficient, very practical, very compatible with all ground or big installation…
    the blockage will be by lobbies, anti-science/anti-growth religion, and by som conservatism…

    dunno, ther are reason to go fast or slow…
    It will go faster for poor people(in occident jobless, …), poor countries, less regulated, for devastated industries (in occident industries)…

  8. @AlainCo,
    This technology, if present is so potentially disruptive, that the transition to it can cause a significant damage, if done fast. Just imagine, if in a couple of years most energy users go to LENR, then in another couple of years transportyation sector goes to LENR, this means that industries like energy production, refineries, fuel distribution, etc. will be hugely impacted – layoffs, etc. The new industry, that comes in their place will not be able to hise so much people. Then the domino effect will come, more layoffs in other industries. And becouse so many industries could be impacted, the initial damage will be huge. Then, things will get better, but this whole negative cycle could take a decade, having in mind the impacted industries(so many). Despite that, technologies have to be adapted, new ones invented.
    If this thing gets done easy, slow, the impact could smaller and the whole effect could be bigger. And I mean the whole world.

  9. @todor
    what you explain is the mainstreamvision.

    Read “the next convergence”… It will happens and if the government try to delay, or does nothing, it will be painful because it will take time to move to the cheaper energy.
    you are wrong and right saying that the people will not find job in the new industry. the LENR ask less job for more energy, so the money generated, not wasted in oil, will go somewhere… in health, in leisure, in vacation, …

    it is a clssic transition to more productivity. it always get finally better…
    hopwever you have to train the workers to the new jobs (not in lenr factories, but in the new jobs that will be created by the generated wealth).
    the problems is that our stupid demagigic government, as usual will try to delay the transition, to prevent job change, instead of accelerating competence change.

    what we need is not job, but wages. and with LENR you have same wages for less work… at worst if some capture the wealth, they will consume other product that will give jobs.

    I have commented a similar article
    http://www.lenr-forum.com/showthread.php?1066-Robotics-and-LENR-Why-Robots-Will-And-Must-Take-Our-Jobs

    the real cause of todays problems is not productivity increase, but effective productivity decrease because we have increased the regulation and the minimum needed, and because oil is more expensive to buy or pump…

    cheap energy is the solution, not the problem.
    transition is the solution, not the problem.

    I know that is not whar you can read in the tabloid, nor hear in the bars, but just remind what happens to our parents in the 50s in EU, in China recently, in Korea just before…

    some turmoil, but if you train the people instead of abandoning them or protecting their condemed jobs, they simply get better job, better paid…
    only alternative to that is what we experience in EU, and less in US.
    and without LENR , in EU the worst is to come, while in US it seems to get better. It just have been unnecessarily painful in US, but it happens at least. in EU we block it and dream of wasting money to save or create unproductive jobs.

  10. “maybe there won’t be any early use of the e-cat because maybe there is no working e-cat”
    Outside of Rossi and his insiders, there is insufficient information or proof that the E-Cats are producing enough heat or electrical energy to go commercial. The Skeptics have concluded Rossi is a fraud and con artist. We know Rossi is building lots of E-Cats and scientists who have witnessed the testing, say that they are real and produce lots of heat energy. Perhaps with a few more weeks we will see a independent third party report or a working reactor – then we will KNOW that the E-Cats are real. jdh

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